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@Sly <:YEP:801436843106238484> pretty much in ToS that exploiting game errors is not allowed

SlouchingPotato 3 years ago Other Messages Raw Message View on Discord 

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everyone abusing time keeper frags for boons

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pretty sure most of dev team isn't original to when the engine was developed making it quite difficult to build things over old stuff, thus making delves a much better option to reworking Shadow Towers...

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it is pretty much a bad assumption to think that developers and programmers are these mythical creatures that can't make mistakes

@ab > An exploit would be a piece of software or code that someone has injected into the game to allow this to happen and then that person has used that to exploit the game That is the definition of a hack, not an exploit. An exploit would be classified as anything in the game which is not intended that the player is able to gain an advantage from. Your confusion might be that sometimes injecting software *allows* for exploits, though it's not always the case. ~~ ~~ > You cannot blame players for using the game in a manner that the game allows, whether or not anyone deems it "right or wrong" From the glyph terms of use: ``` 10.4 Also prohibited is any action that is likely to interfere with the smooth operation of Glyph or the Games, in particular any action that imposes an excessive strain on the systems of gamigo or the Providers. In particular, the following actions are prohibited: [...] - the planned exploitation of program errors for your own benefit (so-called “exploits”) [...] 10.7 In the event that the user [...], gamigo shall be entitled to block the user’s access to the games for up to two weeks after gamigo becomes aware of the breach in question. ```

Sly 3 years ago Other Messages Raw Message View on Discord 

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            [content] => > An exploit would be a piece of software or code that someone has injected into the game to allow this to happen and then that person has used that to exploit the game
That is the definition of a hack, not an exploit. An exploit would be classified as anything in the game which is not intended that the player is able to gain an advantage from. Your confusion might be that sometimes injecting software *allows* for exploits, though it's not always the case.

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pretty much in ToS that exploiting game errors is not allowed

DulcisUltio 3 years ago Other Messages Raw Message View on Discord 

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My frustration lies in the fact that, like so many others, I have invested countless hours and a not-insignificant amount of cash in Trove. That is on me, I cannot blame anyone for the time i've spent nor the money i've spent on it. However, what I can, and have every right to do, is to complain about how poorly the game runs no matter how much I spend on hardware, no matter how much I spend on ISP's getting private IP addresses, getting my line speed upgraded and paying for priority bandwidth in order to reduce latency. I can throw all the money in the world at this and nothing changes. The problems we *all* experience with Trove are not the fault of you, me or any other player's actions. It is the result of "something/some things" at Gamigo/Trove not working properly. And no matter how many people *believe* in this game, no matter how many people stand in defence of everyone involved with the game, externally or internally, the truth of it is that more and more people are simply going to "nope" out of it. 

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Have fun folks 😃
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I said it before AB, somewhere in one of my comments, that I feel sorry for the employees of Gamigo because of what they have to deal with from management. They are most definitely not the ones making the decisions and it reflects in-game.

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As for me, I think i'm done here. It is clear to me, given the very long list and very long timespan of problems and complaints, that nothing will change. Not now, not in future. To everyone who supports Trove and Gamigo, i wish you nothing but the absolute best. Sincerely. I hope that they do eventually get it right but I hold little hope, given past history, and I hope you can all find a different game that you can immerse yourselves in that doesn't leave you frustrated and angered.

Have fun folks 😃

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A much more perspicacious perspective might be "a company of developers who *may* not all *really really* love what they are doing, may not be super close to or care for everyone they work with, are given constant tasks to work on (which they may not want to do) with accompanying deadlines and strict requirements, and as a result may not have someone in every dev division of the game with enough motivation to utilize their free time trying to work on/improve something - or reach out to someone able to do such a thing - which would not have an effect on their paycheck".
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I feel your thoughts seem to come from a perspective of directive towards "a group of close developers all working on a project they are passionate for with complete creative freedom to contribute to whatever part of the game they want to when they want to" which is why they appear to fall on deaf ears.

A much more perspicacious perspective might be "a company of developers who *may* not all *really really* love what they are doing, may not be super close to or care for everyone they work with, are given constant tasks to work on (which they may not want to do) with accompanying deadlines and strict requirements, and as a result may not have someone in every dev division of the game with enough motivation to utilize their free time trying to work on/improve something - or reach out to someone able to do such a thing - which would not have an effect on their paycheck".

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This discord server is supported by gamigo which is why you see some staff members and developers here. Everyone understands your point of view, but if this server is nothing but direct criticism to everything in the game it is just going to result in the gamigo team members that are here either not wanting to interact or leaving. Venting frustration is fine but you still need to show a level of respect towards them. Saying how much you hate everything about the way they operate will not suddenly make them give 200% all the time.

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But nope, people will still insist on defending Gamigo and Trove. How many other games would we put up with this type of incompetence from? I daresay that number is incredibly small!

*EDIT*  300RTT is most definitely not a good sign! And that's just the start, before you've even moved your character by a single pixel!
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I get where you're coming from but if that's the case, then why do we put up with this crap from Trove? I mean, they put that rule in the game to punish players for their own errors yet we, as players, have very little recourse when our gameplay experience is diminished because Trove either cannot, or will not pay more attention to the game itself and fix everything that's broken with it. As Sly said before, this game has been a mess even before Gamigo acquired it. Surely, in 2022, you'd think that by now they would have done something to get it running properly and iron out many of the bugs.

But nope, people will still insist on defending Gamigo and Trove. How many other games would we put up with this type of incompetence from? I daresay that number is incredibly small!

*EDIT* 300RTT is most definitely not a good sign! And that's just the start, before you've even moved your character by a single pixel!

@DulcisUltio It's not an exploit, it's an error on the part of the Trove Devs. An exploit would be a piece of software or code that someone has injected into the game to allow this to happen and then that person has used that to exploit the game. If the Trove team cannot code things properly to avoid such instances and players take advantage of it, the onus is on the Trove team to fix it. You cannot blame players for using the game in a manner that the game allows, whether or not anyone deems it "right or wrong" And yes, the same can be said for *all* instances of similar occurrences. If anyone is deliberately manipulating the game through the use of external scripts and commands, cheat engines, etc. then of course that is exploiting and players should be sanctioned for it. But, if anyone uses something in-game that gives them an advantage then the team behind the game are at fault for allowing it in the first place and should immediately work toward rectifying it if they deem it unfair or unintended.

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That is the definition of a hack, not an exploit. An exploit would be classified as anything in the game which is not intended that the player is able to gain an advantage from. Your confusion might be that sometimes injecting software *allows* for exploits, though it's not always the case.

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            [content] => It's not an exploit, it's an error on the part of the Trove Devs. An exploit would be a piece of software or code that someone has injected into the game to allow this to happen and then that person has used that to exploit the game. If the Trove team cannot code things properly to avoid such instances and players take advantage of it, the onus is on the Trove team to fix it. You cannot blame players for using the game in a manner that the game allows, whether or not anyone deems it "right or wrong"

And yes, the same can be said for *all* instances of similar occurrences. If anyone is deliberately manipulating the game through the use of external scripts and commands, cheat engines, etc. then of course that is exploiting and players should be sanctioned for it. But, if anyone uses something in-game that gives them an advantage then the team behind the game are at fault for allowing it in the first place and should immediately work toward rectifying it if they deem it unfair or unintended.
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> An exploit would be a piece of software or code that someone has injected into the game to allow this to happen and then that person has used that to exploit the game
That is the definition of a hack, not an exploit. An exploit would be classified as anything in the game which is not intended that the player is able to gain an advantage from. Your confusion might be that sometimes injecting software *allows* for exploits, though it's not always the case.

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[...]
10.7 In the event that the user [...], gamigo shall be entitled to block the user’s access to the games for up to two weeks after gamigo becomes aware of the breach in question.
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Instead of defending them for the shockingly poor way this game is handled, perhaps we should start ridiculing them publicly instead!
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On another note, I think *every* error in the game should be published far and wide for everyone to see and take advantage of. Perhaps then the Trove team might actually start doing something about the myriad errors, bugs, glitches, etc. in the game.

Instead of defending them for the shockingly poor way this game is handled, perhaps we should start ridiculing them publicly instead!